"Des is wia bei jeda Wissenschaft, am Schluss stellt sich dann heraus, dass alles ganz anders war."
Zitat: Karl Valentin
Uh oh... I also have an 88/0111 so I’ll need to find two
ich habe nie einen Junghans J88 BUND gesehen mit Tachymeter, aber zivil war das absolut üblich.
Hier zwei Bilder aus 'Martin Fischer Junghans Faszination' mit dem schönen Artikel von Kurt von Zeppelin von 1950!
. Gruesse/Regards/Salute Konrad Knirim
PS: Have a look at my books on Military Timepieces:
Thanks so much for the reply Konrad, I’ll try and read that interesting looking article from Kurt von Zeppelin when I get the chance.
The thing that stands out to me is that the hands, round pushers, and crown on mine are all the same as on the Bund. All the images of the civilian models have different hands, square pushers, and thinner crowns. So I’m reasonably happy that the caseback, midcase, hands, crown, and pusher all belong together. It would still be great to see a good side profile image of a bezelled 88/0110 with the bezel removed, just to rule out the possibility that it’s a standard case with a lost bezel. Can’t find such an image anywhere though...
The dial is a different matter... as you say it looks like a civilian one. But then the lume on the dial and seem to match exactly, and there’s at least some original radium lume in there as I get strong Geiger readings from the watch. So it could have conceivably been born this way but I guess it’s unlikely. Also worth noting is that the 42mm prototype Bund on page 571 of your book has a dial layout that’s essentially identical to all the later Bunds, so it’s hard to think why there would be an anomaly in the middle.I’ll probably be leaving it alone for the moment, and enjoy it how it is. I have the J-Star dial in my drawer so I can always swap it over later. The downside would be that the lume doesn’t color match the hands so well.
I just took the back off to get the serial number which is 6888. There are also three service marks scratched into the CB from the same watchmaker, but I guess it’s impossible to get dates from those (I guess they are job numbers as they are ascending and evenly spaced, around 500-600 jobs apart, which I guess translates to a regular time interval).
It’s not a super early number, but it is earlier than my donor movement with the J-Star dial shown above (7628), and also earlier than my 88/0111 which is fitted with movement S/N 10676.
Ich halte die Uhr ebenfalls für authentisch. Die Leuchtmasse von Zifferblatt und Zeigern passt perfekt zueinander. Tachymeterlunetten gab es immer wieder an Fliegeruhren der Bundeswehr. Meistens haben sie sich wohl mangels Alternativen dorthin verirrt. Felix hatte beispielsweise eine Titan Tutima mit einer solchen Lunette:
"Ich bin ein Höhlenbewohner. Die Zimmer mit Aussicht überlasse ich Ihnen" - G. Bachmann
Hier eine Zivile Variante der Uhr mit den Bundeswehr Zeigern die Uhr ist aus dem Nachlass eines Kienzle Mitarbeiter der die Uhr für langjährige Betriebszugehörigkeit bekommen hat.
Noch mit dem alten ( hässlichen ) grauen Lederband.
Can I ask, do you think the hands are the originals ones ? They seem to have aged completely differently to the lume on the dial. The case looks civilian though with the square pushers.
And also is it right that there’s no serial number on the movement ? I can’t see anything in the normal place.
I have a civilian 88 basically untouched. It shows no serial on the movement either. Hands as in the shown ad from Konrad. For comparison.
I checked my military Junghans 88: it shows a serial on the movement. So my guess is: the military movements are marked, the civilians are not. Did anyone check their serials/movements?
That’s an interesting possibility. I was pretty sure I’d seen numbered movements in civilian Cal. 88s but I could be wrong. I bought another donor last year and that’s civilian and un-numbered. I’ll trawl google images now to see if the idea works.
edit: just to add, the actual architecture of the movements seems different between different examples. I mean if you look underneath and to the left of the balance wheel.
i just looked at around 20-30 examples and they all followed the pattern until I hit the last one. So there seems to be a strong pattern of:
serial number under balance = Bund
no serial number under balance = square pusher civilian