Hanhart 41

      I have an opportunity to buy a really nice and clean 41. I am unsure this watch is a WWII vintage. Owner says it was unearthed after the wall fell in 1989. It is remarkable shape and has led to wonder of its true age. Is there a definitive process to determine age. The back is not marked as others I have seen online. This back has 1875 lightly etched on the back. It is nearly invisible. Most watches of that era I have seen are stamped. The watch is missing the top pusher. He would not let me open the back without the proper wrench. I have an appointment with my watchmaker to unscrew the back. I would really like to add this watch to my collection, but do not want to spend money on a non WWII watch. Any advise, thoughts, feedback would be appreciated.
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      Hello,

      this is definetly a vintage Hanhart. The case number is missing and you should demand pictures of the movement. Many vintage Hanhart chronographs are offered with incomplete movements.

      For comparison between vintage and replica Hanharts read this article:

      Vergleich: Hanhart original und Replika

      Gruß,
      Walter
      "Ich bin ein Höhlenbewohner. Die Zimmer mit Aussicht überlasse ich Ihnen" - G. Bachmann
      I should mention it does run and you can push the top button stem and it will start the sweep hand. It will not stop it though when pushed again. Bottom button resets but does not stop sweep hand. If and when I get the back off, should there serial numbers on movement? Marking on inside cover? Is there a listing for serial numbers relating to years made? What are the differences between the WWII watches and the watches made after? I know it is not a replica watch as per the article and pictures. Is it uncommon for the back to be unmarked? The seller is looking for $4K and before I spend money I need to be sure.
      Any more feedback?
      S
      when I get the back off, should there serial numbers on movement? - yes, there is a serial number on the movement Marking on inside cover? - no markings there Is there a listing for serial numbers relating to years made? - no, but the wartimers have a six digit number What are the differences between the WWII watches and the watches made after? - movement is different and the serial number For further orientation: http://www.vintage-time.de/index.php/Thread/5589-Hanhart-Military-Mind-Map-Teil-1/?pageNo=1 picture: hanhart wartime movement Gruß, Walter
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      "Ich bin ein Höhlenbewohner. Die Zimmer mit Aussicht überlasse ich Ihnen" - G. Bachmann
      Thank you for the link and picture. I have read some where there were no incabloc on the earlier movements, is this true? Is the back with out marking correct? Replacement? I have also read some movements do not have serial numbers, is this true? I am just trying to obtain the correct information to make a informed decision. Is $4000USD a fair market price for a really clean WWII Hanhart? Or is this out of line? I know that it is difficult to determine value without all the facts and not doing an hands on exam. There is a lot of info online, but not all may pertain to me.
      I appreciate your time and effort responding to my inquiries.
      S
      Is the back with out marking correct? Replacement? - the markings are polished out, orignal markings: Boden Edelstahl - wassergeschützt - stossfest + serial number 1xxx xxx I have also read some movements do not have serial numbers, is this true? yes, that´s right, for this case the serial number is on the dial side of the movement Is $4000USD a fair market price for a really clean WWII Hanhart? Or is this out of line? the outer condition is nice but you need to have a look on the movement! A new pusher you can find on ebay . The price would be ok for a wartime model only. Gruß, Walter
      "Ich bin ein Höhlenbewohner. Die Zimmer mit Aussicht überlasse ich Ihnen" - G. Bachmann